tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post153360538716984614..comments2023-08-08T12:49:11.159+02:00Comments on Healer Envy: Wish for Cataclysm: Shaman tanks!Ayebahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05813027047383746006noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-68451881043937215672011-08-27T20:43:17.727+02:002011-08-27T20:43:17.727+02:00I've read your thoughts very carefully and som...I've read your thoughts very carefully and some of them are really interesting, but nevertheless, I think Blizz don't want Shamans to tank, especially after some of my natural friends showed how to make it, so they would have had enough chances to collect good ideas. Another problem is: "Do people really want to see something crazy like this?". Actually, most gamers wouldn't. I think it's a very special idea, but it should rest as a good idea and those who try to tank should feel like doing something different, otherwise everyone does it and every player who knows WoW more than one ore two years can guess how it will end. It's boring and another funny thing which was destroyed by Blizzard. So, that's just my oppinion, which is coined by my tanking activities as shaman but maybe someone get's inspired. Just to see what is possible yet http://www.youtube.com/user/Merotheq?feature=mheeMerotheqnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-73911203020708458112011-01-01T02:34:57.352+01:002011-01-01T02:34:57.352+01:00Get glyph of stoneclaw totem which gives about a s...Get glyph of stoneclaw totem which gives about a shield 4 times the amount the totem shields your other totems which for me is about 18k and shamans have another reduced damage spell with a short cdownNicholas Burroughsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-31873776466309832932010-09-15T00:42:24.099+02:002010-09-15T00:42:24.099+02:00Lol Who said they have to be best for Tanking? The...Lol Who said they have to be best for Tanking? They would be wearing Mail and they would be Serving as an OT where as a Paladin serves as a MT. and Ele doesnt mean they will be better dps as a Caster Lawl. The better the Skill the better the dps. as in Healing also, It all depends on the Skill. So dont sit there and say that He is trying to make it seem Like Shamans will be the Best or the most OP ClassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-72035648856327829422010-03-30T17:05:31.617+02:002010-03-30T17:05:31.617+02:00sorry i do not agree with the idea.
1) you do not...sorry i do not agree with the idea.<br /><br />1) you do not think there are enough tank classes?<br /><br />2) The healing ability shamans have over palys when it comes to raid heals is not even close.<br /><br />So basically you want a class that is best at healing / tanking an can also be as good as a mage for caster dps?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-52015715504279923212010-03-11T15:12:47.578+01:002010-03-11T15:12:47.578+01:00Shamans should still be similar to paladins. If y...Shamans should still be similar to paladins. If you look at census results on alliance and horde, you will see paladins are used more on both sides. You would see a little more variability with classes and races if shaman could tank. I feel this would be in part to a person feeling that they could pick a shaman and be a complete hybrid that can do it all. At the movement I feel that shaman are considered one of the most fun to play, but limited to what they can do in heroics and through to end game. Yes people today have multiple 80's, but you have to still pick one as your main to spend the time on gearing them up. Blizz does worry about things being "fun" and a shaman tank has fun tattooed all over it! Even if they were not the "top" tank that week, it would be hard to peel me off the "fun" tank, to play the "best " tankAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-51827830790967707782010-03-10T20:09:16.092+01:002010-03-10T20:09:16.092+01:00I did not see this mentioned so here goes:
I thin...I did not see this mentioned so here goes:<br /><br />I think shields should not be over looked. Why not have the weapon enhancements or "shields" be applied to offhand Shields? Once you equip a shield in Enh then it acts like cat and bear forms. Then Rockbiter is added to the shield with a nice tanking plus (like the ones talked about in a comment above). <br /><br /><br />That said, I mentioned Shaman Tanking during the Wrath Beta and was shot by many arrows with a big fat "NO" on them! (T_T).Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06697105763695131238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-61419300928729371642010-03-10T17:30:10.072+01:002010-03-10T17:30:10.072+01:00http://www.youtube.com/user/sharicasmihttp://www.youtube.com/user/sharicasmiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-87967720588810708322010-03-10T17:01:09.264+01:002010-03-10T17:01:09.264+01:00Way back in Ye Olde Worlde of Warcrafte, Shamans W...Way back in Ye Olde Worlde of Warcrafte, Shamans WERE a tank alternative. They had Mail and a Shield, they also had high threat instant attacks (Earthshock) and no Threat reduction. Unfortunately they were weak tanks so blizzard in it's all knowing wisdom did not buff their abilities but went the other route, stripped out the high threat attacks and put in threat reduction talents. I wish they had not. My Shammy was originally rolled to be a tank and it was taken away. I would love to see the rise of the Shammy tank, but I'm not holding my breath.gn33101https://www.blogger.com/profile/05396456571130352468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-49652249133490029472010-03-10T15:57:21.017+01:002010-03-10T15:57:21.017+01:00Replied to all comments, except yours, Shane White...Replied to all comments, except yours, Shane White. Didn't see yours at the time of posting. <br /><br />http://healerenvy.blogspot.com/2010/03/hot-topic-shaman-tanks.htmlAyebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05813027047383746006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-53379263731189324792010-03-10T15:51:36.226+01:002010-03-10T15:51:36.226+01:00As someone who played a shaman in the earliest sta...As someone who played a shaman in the earliest stages and back when "shamans take no damage *thumbs up*" (I refer you to this documentary: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/11/28/), I remember tanking because I was the only one who used a shield in my group. Oh the many deaths and many successes we enjoyed! I'd love to go back to those days only do so officially. Especially as I like being useful and love playing a shaman but I'm not a great healer (but an excellent tank). I wish your idea was more than a wish!Shane Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08184887970215854052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-44460053210647354252010-03-10T13:21:36.646+01:002010-03-10T13:21:36.646+01:00Nice long post. I can't say I agree with all y...Nice long post. I can't say I agree with all your ideas, as Stormtouched seems like too much of a mega-talent and I would have gone with an earth element theme myself. However its a great way of showing how it could be done!<br /><br />I felt since vanilla that Shamans should be able to be tanks. After all Thrall, the paragon of Shamanism, goes around wearing a set of epic plate armour! <br /><br />In vanilla Shamans were a kind of parallel to paladins, yet pallys had plate armour and a proper tanking tree. It never made much sense. Especially since I *did* manage to tank successfully in early instances like Scarlet Monastery. Without a shield no less. It was a serious disaapointment when I got to 60 only to find out all I was good for in a raid was spam healing.<br /><br />In short: I'd love to see it happen, but it probably won't. I think it would need more than some hefty talent reworking, I think it would need a class reworkign from the ground-up, which isn't likely. They ballsed up Shamans from the beginning and it still haunts us. Maybe if they put in a secondary talent system (akin to Archaelogy but more class-specific) such as becoming a 'Master Shaman' it may open us a possibility. Until then, we can but dream (and glare jealously at Thrall).Wulfyhttp://thebarrenschat.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-34980604640955076592010-03-10T11:14:39.908+01:002010-03-10T11:14:39.908+01:00Shaman tanking is a fantastic idea and one that a ...Shaman tanking is a fantastic idea and one that a lot of the playerbase wishes to see. You've done a fantastic job with this write up, the only criticism I would have is that the theme of ice for tanks has already been employed quite heavily for DKs (Icebound Fort. etc etc). There is a great deal of room to maneuver when it comes to shamans I think, so another element could be used to make them more unique. Possibly theming them around landslides/mountains, possibly even plate tectonics would work very well and keep shamans different from other classes, as well as shaman tanks different from other specs.<br />Once again great write up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-85982037107552425202010-03-10T09:57:54.467+01:002010-03-10T09:57:54.467+01:00Wow, I've never gotten so many comments on a p...Wow, I've never gotten so many comments on a post before. Either a lot more people than I thought are following my blog, or this post got linked from somewhere else. <br /><br />In fact, replies are so numerous that I'll create a dedicated post replying to them.Ayebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05813027047383746006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-47699516888975617572010-03-10T09:14:00.280+01:002010-03-10T09:14:00.280+01:00Yeah, I didn't read the entire post (way too l...Yeah, I didn't read the entire post (way too long), just wanted to comment that I personally disagree a bit with your idea that tanking should be centered around the ice/frost side of elements. I think it should be more like this:<br />Healing = Water<br />Elemental = Fire<br />Enhancement = Wind<br />Tanking = Earth<br /><br />If you look at it that way, a tanking possibility for shamans would actually complete the class a fair bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-41842265348028323792010-03-10T07:43:24.945+01:002010-03-10T07:43:24.945+01:00I'm missing a tanking shield spell in your ide...I'm missing a tanking shield spell in your idea. LIke healers have a earth shield. Tanking shamans could have a self shield that increases threat and armor for instance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-42045796605460239352010-03-10T07:29:29.321+01:002010-03-10T07:29:29.321+01:00Dont even say stuff like this, iff they get tankin...Dont even say stuff like this, iff they get tanking as a choosable path then we will become a full blown hybrid and all other specs will be toned down, do not want! Plus tanking is snoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-84442257683684122122010-03-10T07:22:18.193+01:002010-03-10T07:22:18.193+01:00Sharicasmi on the Chrommagus (sp?) server is alrea...Sharicasmi on the Chrommagus (sp?) server is already a great Shaman tank. He has quite a bit of health and armor when using tanking offset pieces... It may not be equivalent to the MTs you see in most raids, but he proves that it can be done.<br /><br />The only issue he seems to run into is generating enough threat by himself. He usually has Rogues or Hunters MD/Tricks to him to be able to hold threat properly. This could probably be fixed by altering Rockbiter weapon to greatly increase threat, and maybe even provide extra armor/stamina/avoidance as Blizzard sees fit.<br /><br />When you think about it, Rockbiter weapon just dies off after you get the other weapon enchants and you never see it again.<br /><br />With a change to Rockbiter, and maybe a few talents thrown into the Enhancment tree to coincide with other tanking talents (like the old talent that increased the effectiveness of shields for Shamans...), we could see a rise in OT/Lightweight Shaman tanks.<br /><br />- Halibél of US-MannorothAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-82865521199370632182010-03-10T07:10:00.176+01:002010-03-10T07:10:00.176+01:00The simplest (and vanilla viable way shamans held ...The simplest (and vanilla viable way shamans held threat) was a simple weapon buff--rockbiter. I would probably fold some additional work into this and keep the same style since weapon buffs are an integral part of the Shaman class as it already stands.<br /><br />Interesting read, and as I was recently told, Shamans HAVE been tanking, even in Anub'arak. If I remember I'll go dig through my comments and find the You Tube video for you ^^Windsoarhttp://jadedalt.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-1587446693173621312010-03-10T07:05:35.797+01:002010-03-10T07:05:35.797+01:00Just to throw a few things in. I love the idea of ...Just to throw a few things in. I love the idea of shaman tanks, having been playing an elemental shaman lately. The couple ideas I have had kinda expand on the fire nova mechanics without adding too much other stuff to the rotation. You could have an AOE taunt coming out of your stoneclaw totem on a cooldown that would force things to attack you. If you were to add new spells, how about an imbue shield type spells. You could cast an inflame shield spell that causes huge threat to anything that hits your shield. Maybe give it charges, and have a panic button that uses the charges and blasts everything in front of you for damage depending on how many charges there are. A talent that decreases the armor effect stoneskin totem gives to others and increases it for you. A glyph for frost shock to hit an additional target for half damage but full threat. Hell, just a one point talent that a frost shock acts like a taunt would be a good start. Whirlwind totem - everyone within 30 feet gain 1,2,3% dodge. Anyways, just some ideas. I love your site, thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-45278284123890518232010-03-10T06:31:58.818+01:002010-03-10T06:31:58.818+01:00First off just found your site, and I'm pretty...First off just found your site, and I'm pretty happy about it. Now, I really like the idea, but I think you down played the totems a bit. Stoneskin totem already increases armor, a talent could let that buff the shaman to plate level and be uncritable while still giving the same bonus to other players, there could also be a health version of Mana Tide Totem, that gives a quick burst of health in an emergency, Stonebiter weapon could be changed to increase parry and increase threat at higher level, there's so many great possibilities, but these are just my ideasStri'dahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307357768859593372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-28242269690227799922010-03-10T06:20:58.866+01:002010-03-10T06:20:58.866+01:00Shaman's were viable off tanks in many situati...Shaman's were viable off tanks in many situations back in Vanilla.<br /><br />They'll never get to fill the role of a 'light tank' again in my personal opinion. Blizzard has made comments in this regard many many times over the last 3 years.<br /><br />A few of your ideas are interesting, and most of the rest are just silly, but well thought out nonetheless.<br /><br />The one thing *I* wish for Shamans to reclaim in Cataclysm is some decent PvP oriented 2 Handed weapon talents. I miss my Hand of Ragnaros chain Windfury crits in Vanilla WSG. :(<br /><br />Enhancement suffers a lot from lack of viability in PvP since TBC came out, and I'd dearly love to see people fear Shamans wielding 2 Handed weapons a bit more like the old days again... if only to keep the heat off us for a while so we can actually kill people in BGs without getting ripped to shreds in 4 seconds for a change.Stormcrazedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04249057805621066790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-8627373372312912142010-03-08T10:36:51.009+01:002010-03-08T10:36:51.009+01:00I read the idea in the train the other day and agr...I read the idea in the train the other day and agreed it had some merit, but I preferred the concept to have a Shaman tank in mail. To make them an offtank, so they're designed to not be viable as MT alternative (ie. no plate armour buffing like you suggested).Gravityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09058246857638123702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-90966059117371876742010-03-05T13:00:05.749+01:002010-03-05T13:00:05.749+01:00Yeah, I guess that'd be a problem. I'm 100...Yeah, I guess that'd be a problem. I'm 100% sure I don't see all problems connected with the idea... good thing it's not me who's making the decision, yes?Ayebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05813027047383746006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-23590708489184386232010-03-05T12:36:07.613+01:002010-03-05T12:36:07.613+01:00I sorta think be careful what you wish for. I thin...I sorta think be careful what you wish for. I think for druids two roles sharing the same tree (feral dps and feral tanking) causes issues, particularly around itemization and stuff like tier sets.Colmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12532353704514858955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5329669816225342520.post-81444201829573653602010-03-05T10:20:52.874+01:002010-03-05T10:20:52.874+01:00Can't wait to hear your thoughts, Gravity. If ...Can't wait to hear your thoughts, Gravity. If you like thought experiments like this, mind you.Ayebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05813027047383746006noreply@blogger.com